Real Mushrooms Interview
Jason recently got in touch with Skye Chilton, the founder of Real Mushrooms. Real Mushrooms is one of the largest producers of medicinal mushroom products in North America, operating out of British Columbia, Canada. Skye and his company have over 40 years of experience growing and cultivating medicinal mushrooms.
Check out the interview below covering Skye’s journey with medicinal mushrooms, how to identify a top quality medicinal mushroom product, and some insights into the North American medicinal mushroom supplement industry.
Q&A with Skye Chilton
1. How did you personally start your journey into the world of medicinal mushrooms?
a. I’ve been around mushrooms for most of my life via my father, Jeff Chilton, founder of Nammex. I didn’t picture myself being involved with mushrooms but through many conversations with my father and reconnecting with my personal health, I came to realize that mushrooms are a unique food as well as having the potential for a host of other benefits.
2. Can you please give us a brief history about Real Mushrooms?
a. Real Mushrooms came into existence through long talks with my father, discussing the current landscape of the mushroom industry. I learned that it was primarily dominated by mycelium, the root system of the mushroom, that was being grown on sterilized grain and improperly labelled as mushrooms. With this knowledge, I wanted to showcase the mushroom itself and educate consumers about the differences in products while being entirely transparent on where our mushrooms come from and why. The name Real Mushrooms came from the fact that we actually use mushrooms in our products.
“Most brands do not test for active compounds and solely rely on hype and marketing.”
3. What differentiates Real Mushrooms from other brands?
a. We have a streamlined supply chain through our relationship with Nammex and very close relationships with our manufacturing partners in China. We do more testing than any other company out there demonstrating that the important fungal compounds that give these mushrooms their benefits are actually in our products. Most brands do not test for active compounds and solely rely on hype and marketing.
4. What are some recent achievements by Real Mushrooms?
a. We’ve recently launched our pet line in early 2022 headed up by our Chief Veterinary Officer, Dr. Rob Silver DMS, MS, who is a conventional veterinarian as well as a holistic veterinarian, cannabis and mushroom expert. He has over 40 years of veterinary practice as well as 25 years of experience developing products for pets.
5. What has been the biggest challenge for Real Mushrooms in the medicinal mushroom industry? How did you overcome it?
a. The biggest challenge has been differentiating ourselves from myceliated grain competitors and educating consumers of the differences between mushrooms and mycelium.
6. From the enquiries that you receive, what are the most common health conditions that people face and use your products for?
a. Typically bolstering immunity whether it’s for general health or some sort of adjunct therapy protocol to support conventional cancer treatment. Mental health is also becoming a very big concern for people.
7. What future challenges do you anticipate for Real Mushrooms in the medicinal mushroom industry? Where do you see the industry heading?
a. I see the industry continuing to expand as consumers learn more about the benefits of eating mushrooms. More and more products will start to contain mushrooms and hopefully there will be a more reasonable priced, broad selection of culinary mushrooms at your local grocery store.
8. What constitutes a good quality product?
a. Our goal has always been to produce a high quality extract from organic mushrooms (fruiting bodies). As mushrooms are bioaccumulators, organically grown mushrooms are important because they are grown without the use of pesticides and agricultural chemicals. Extraction is another important factor as the active compounds in these mushrooms are locked up in the cell wall which is made up of chitin (yes, the same thing that crab’s make their shells from). Extraction breaks down the cell wall allowing our bodies to more easily absorb these compounds. Beta-glucans are the primary active compounds in these mushrooms so look for measurement of beta-glucans in the Supplement Facts panel to ensure that these compounds are guaranteed in any product you purchase.
“Beta-glucans are the primary active compounds in these mushrooms so look for measurement of beta-glucans in the Supplement Facts panel to ensure that these compounds are guaranteed in any product you purchase.”
9. What should consumers be aware of to avoid low quality products?
a. Try to discern if the product is made from mushroom or mycelium. This is extremely important as the majority of mycelium based products are grown on a grain substrate and this leftover grain ends up in the final product, diluting the mycelium and active compounds. Polysaccharide measurements are usually a red flag as polysaccharides are a large group of compounds including fungal beta-glucans as well as starches found in grain. For example, a product could tout high polysaccharides numbers but the majority of it could be coming from grain starch or other starch-like fillers; not fungal betaglucans.
10. What are your thoughts on the use of mycelium?
a. I have no issues with the use of the mycelium but it is important that products are labelled properly and that any residual substrate the mycelium is grown on be properly disclosed on the label. Many mycelium based products are improperly labelled to make consumers think the product contains mushrooms. FDA regulations specifically prohibit implying that the product contains mushrooms when it does not.
b. There is a lot of research on mycelium but the important caveat is that it is primarily based on pure mycelium made through liquid fermentation or pure compounds isolated from the mycelium. While there are pure mycelium products like Cordyceps Cs-4, PSK, PSP, these products are out of Asia where they utilize a liquid fermentation process. By growing the mycelium in a liquid media, once you drain off the liquid, only pure mycelium remains.
c. Mycelium in the North American market is dominated by solid state mycelium; using grain as the growth media. The final product is very different from pure mycelium as it still contains the grain substrate which dominates the majority of the finished product. This residual substrate dilutes the amount of mycelium present and hence dilutes any active compounds. This has been proven by many scientific studies.
11. Various brands discredit the use of Chinese grown mushrooms and promote locally grown mushrooms? Why is this so?
a. There are many different reasons. Some of it is just the current anti-China sentiment used as a scare tactic. Certainly I wouldn’t buy from a random factory off of Alibaba which is why it is important to buy from a brand who does proper testing and qualification. All of our mushroom ingredients get screened upwards of 3 times for pesticides, heavy metals and microbial contamination before they reach the customer.
b. While I totally support buying local, many of these brands are not selling mushrooms when they’re talking about locally grown and are really selling myceliated grain because it is much cheaper to produce than growing mushrooms for extract powders. Growing organic mushrooms in North America to create extract powders is not economical which is why myceliated grain is grown instead.
c. Many forget that China is the birthplace of mushroom cultivation over 800 years ago and they now grow over 90% of the world’s mushrooms. Mushrooms are one of their top agricultural crops and they promote mushroom growing as a way to help communities out of poverty. They have dedicated research institutes for mushrooms and the most mushroom scientists of any country. These mushrooms have been used in China as functional foods for thousands of years.
“China is the birthplace of mushroom cultivation over 800 years ago and they now grow over 90% of the world’s mushrooms… They have dedicated research institutes for mushrooms and the most mushroom scientists of any country.”
12. To extract the triterpenes, many brands use dual extraction processes for all their mushroom products, but we noticed Real Mushrooms mainly use Hot Water extraction (aside from Chaga). Why is this so?
a. It really depends on the mushroom and your desired results. We use a variety of extraction techniques. For reishi, we use a concentrated dual extract to get higher levels of the bitter triterpenes which we guarantee on our label. For lion’s mane, we use a lossless hot water extract which is more consistent with the clinical data.
b. With any extraction method, you need to verify your results. We’ve seen reishi mushroom hot water extracts with more triterpenes than reishi mushroom dual extracts. If you’re not analyzing for the important compounds then it’s basically marketing speak.
13. The use of psilocybin to treat depression and addiction is growing in popularity, and 10 years ago I personally had a long-lasting positive experience with psilocybin cubensis. Have you had experience with psilocybin? What are your thoughts on this within the medicinal mushroom industry?
a. I think this is a great new area of research and am I glad that this is getting more exposure and people are seeing benefits. It is good to see it following behind the decriminalization of cannabis. While psilocybin could cross over into functional mushrooms at some point, it will most likely be its own category to start. When consuming psilocybe mushrooms, it is important to remember set and setting. Make you are around people who can help you if anything goes wrong. Psilocybin can produce negative experiences so if you are looking for specific outcomes, make sure to get in touch with a qualified practitioner.
14. If you could choose one, what is the most interesting discovery or fact of medicinal mushrooms that you would like to share?
a. In Asia, many large studies that investigated the diets of various populations discovered that those groups who consumed mushrooms actually lived longer. Considering the benefits of mushroom beta-glucans for our immunity as well the presence of longevity compounds like ergothioneine, I consider these studies to be a validation of the use of mushrooms for food and as nutritional supplements. a.
15. What is your favourite medicinal mushroom, Skye?
a. Reishi would probably be my favorite as it is so multi-faceted.
High Quality Medicinal Mushroom Supplements
Our team has been researching for top producers of medicinal mushrooms. For our recommendations of what we believe to be best quality medicinal mushroom supplements in the United States and Canada, check our following guides:
- Best Chaga supplements
- Best Cordyceps supplements
- Best Lion’s Mane supplements
- Best Reishi supplements
- Best Turkey Tail supplements
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